辟谣：谁说福清哥是福清糕？

特朗普大爷 发表于 2023-4-29 15:04:42

<p style="margin: 0px 16px 15px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box; clear: both; min-height: 1em; visibility: visible; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); letter-spacing: 2.5px;">最早说“福清哥”源自“福清糕”的，是福州籍学者王振忠，他的文章多次被转载收录，于是谣言不断扩散。然而，这种解释存在基本事实错误的问题。<span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important; text-indent: 2em; caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); letter-spacing: 2.5px;">他在<span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important; text-indent: 2em; caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); letter-spacing: 0.034em;">《洗澡》这篇文章（《读书》杂志1998年第2期）中说：<p style="margin: 0px 16px 15px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box; clear: both; min-height: 1em; visibility: visible; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">在澡堂中卖碗糕的几乎清一色的都是福州郊县的福清人。闽地方言中“哥”(意即男子)与“糕” 同音，故而福州城里人戏称福清人为“福清糕(哥)” 。《闽都别记》中就有“福清糕(哥)” 的戏称。 在旧时代生计无聊的福清人除了卖碗糕就是当 “狮公”(道士)和和尚。<p style="margin: 0px 16px 15px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box; clear: both; min-height: 1em; visibility: visible; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; text-align: center; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">福州籍学者王振忠公开资料<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; font-family: PingFangSC-light; letter-spacing: 0.544px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); visibility: visible; font-size: 13px; text-align: center; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important; color: rgb(29, 86, 128); letter-spacing: 2.5px; visibility: visible; font-size: 12px;">▾<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; text-align: center; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><p style="margin: 0px 16px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); letter-spacing: 2.5px; visibility: visible; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">   <p style="margin: 0px 16px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); visibility: visible; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">  <p style="margin: 0px 16px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); letter-spacing: 2.5px; visibility: visible; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">    上文有几处不实之处：<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; text-align: center; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> <p style="margin: 0px 16px 15px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box; clear: both; min-height: 1em; visibility: visible; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">其一：在福州澡堂卖糕的是莆田人<p style="margin: 0px 16px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9); letter-spacing: 2.5px; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); visibility: visible; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">福州澡堂售卖的糕并非碗糕，而是一种叫做“马糕”的莆田特产茯苓糕，由莆田人在福州售卖。同时，福州澡堂曾经使用的一种浴巾也是来自莆田的“兴化巾”。这种莆田马糕在福州街头还很常见，比如各大医院门口都有莆田人在售卖，而福清本地并没有这种糕。所以，他对福清糕的解释并不成立。<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; visibility: visible; font-size: 13px; font-family: PingFangSC-light; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: center; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> <section style="margin: 0px 16px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); letter-spacing: 2.5px; visibility: visible; text-indent: 2em; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">其二：《闽都别记》多处出现“福清哥”记载</section><section style="margin: 0px 16px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9); letter-spacing: 2.5px; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); visibility: visible; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">实际上，《闽都别记》中多次出现“福清哥”，如第169回“建策突出喊曰，福清哥，再来讲凑”，第312回“乃福建一童生福清哥也，姓林名汝翥”，第394回“连江人欲再写对句嘲福清哥”，说明当时福清哥这个称谓是存在的。</section><section style="margin: 0px 16px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9); letter-spacing: 2.5px; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); visibility: visible; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">而“福清糕”只出现一次，事发地在泉州，连江人写对子嘲笑福清哥为“福清糕”，嘲笑长乐人为“长乐粿”，这都是谐音梗，而且文中的福清人、长乐人都是开饼店的。这进一步印证了王振忠的错误之处，他在考证时过于片面和草率，没有充分考虑文本的语境和多义性，从而得出了错误的结论。</section><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; clear: both; min-height: 1em; visibility: visible; font-size: 13px; font-family: PingFangSC-light; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: center; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> <section style="margin: 0px 16px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); letter-spacing: 2.5px; visibility: visible; text-indent: 2em; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">其三：错将闽清人当成福清人</section><section style="margin: 0px 16px 15px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box; visibility: visible; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); letter-spacing: 2.5px; font-size: 16px;">最后，王振忠还提到福清人迫于生计除了卖碗糕，还当师公，并说这是出自《闽都别记》的说法。师公（音同“狮公），指闾山派的道士。然而，《闽都别记》第253回记载的是“福州之道士以闽清为最”。王振忠不仅分不清莆田人与福清人，也把闽清人误认为福清人，福州人对福清人真的太不了解了，但是作为学者，应该严格按照史实和证据进行考证，不能因为个人偏见或其他因素而出现这种错误。</section><section style="margin: 0px 16px 15px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box; visibility: visible; text-indent: 2em; white-space: normal; font-family: PingFangSC-light; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; outline: 0px; max-width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box !important; overflow-wrap: break-word !important; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); letter-spacing: 2.5px; font-size: 16px;">事实上，在福建省内，也不仅仅是福州人称呼福清人为福清哥，莆田人、宁德人也这么说。而且，福州人不仅称福清人为福清哥，也称莆田人为兴化兄、称闽南人为下南兄。在这个例子中，王振忠的错误之处不仅在于他没有对历史文献进行全面客观的分析，还在于他把自己的猜测和观点当成了事实。这是一种非常不科学和不负责任的研究方式，这种错误观点被广泛传播后，给人们留下错误的印象，从而影响到大众对历史和文化的正确理解。（来源：福清大街小巷）</section> <link rel="stylesheet" href="//www.fqlook.cn/source/plugin/wcn_editor/public/wcn_editor_fit.css?v134_aXV" id="wcn_editor_css"/>

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